Having a Machiavellian/Bismarckian view of history and politics isn’t in itself wrong. One can subscribe to that stance, while being in disagreement with Kissinger. Much like how socialists or any other school of thinking can have disagreements from within.

The nice thing about a sound Machiavellian/Bismarckian view of the world is that it overrides the bogus idealistic bullshit used as a smoke screen. A case in point being those who use human rights as a propaganda tool by highlighting abuses in countries whose foreign policy runs contrary to what some like, while simultaneously being soft with human rights abusers whose foreign policy isn’t seen as so disagreeable.

Ger, I agree with you and Mike, and that is exactly why Kissinger is ‘appropriate’. Kissinger is exactly the kind of guy the Russians (understand and can)get on with! Old Skool…

I never thought I’d say it either, but Mike is dead right about Henry Kissinger -if anything Mike is being too kind on the guy – and I’m quite suprised at the fact that he’s even being used by the US goverment these days. What about Paris, Cambodia? This guy was a monster, drenched in blood. And Mike’s description ‘Machiavellian’ is spot on.

He deserves that one Andy and then some.

I never thought I’d ever say this, but Mike Averko is bang on with this. Conspiracy theories regarding world events being controlled by a shadowy cabal of Jews should be treated with nothing but contempt.

The record here shows that you brought up the Jewish background of some in a way suggesting that it substantively relates to the meeting.

I did in fact post comments noting Kissinger’s less than stellar performance and how others view him.

I’ll redirect a question of yours back to you: Wha planet are you residing?

“Does anybody believe that this cadre of clowns is acting on the best interest of the US ?”

You have another chance to improve your score.

As for your “One’s ethno/religious background isn’t related to this subject.”

Oh, how refreshing to hear this. And what planet are you residing ?

Jack

On the former Yugoslavia and former USSR, the neocons and George Soros funded neoliberals seem to be in general agreement. On other issues like Iraq, their views differ with each other.

Primkaov has his good points. IMO, he’s being relied on a bit too heavily when it comes to providing Russian foreign policy perspectives.

One’s ethno/religious background isn’t related to this subject.

Does anybody believe that this cadre of clowns are acting in the best interest of the USA ? I’m bending over with hilarious laughter !

Jack

The new prime minister of Russia, Yevgeny Primakov, chosen by Berezovsky and the other Jewish oligarchs, has been praised by the New York Times as a tough, experienced bureaucrat: just the sort to straighten out Russia’s economic problems. What the New York Times has not said is that “Primakov” is not the name he was born with. His family name actually is Finkelstein, and his Jewish parents called him “Pinchas” — Pinchas Finkelstein. prime minister of Russia. Amazing, isn’t it? — “A Confluence of Crises,” Transcription of Complete American Dissident Voices Broadcast of September 19, 1998, by William Pierce

http://www.takimag.com/site/article/the_kissinger_connection/

But, macho to the end, we had to win in the power-one-up-manship game.

Now, with its newly found natural resource wealth, Russia has been ‘bitch-slapping’ the United States on the world stage.

The United States is suffering from a massive self-inflicted loss of power and prestige and, in the international power one-up-manship game, most of the world is delighting our fall.

Only a utter moron like Bush could have created this disaster.

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Look it up.. .read it and weap… Russia is using scaler weapons on the USA and the “west”..

If you don’t know what scaler weapons are.. then too bad for you.

Regarding Vietnam – half the names on the Wall are the result of Kessinger and Nixon betraying this country by wreaking LBJ’s peace plan. The blood of over 20,000 Americans and millions of people in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam are on his hands. Also don’t forget his role in overthrowing the democratically elected government of Chile and the murders that followed.

See Hitchens’ book “The Trial of Henry Kissenger”. My only complaint is that Hitchens is too easy on Henry the snake.

“Jimmy Carter is probably the best example of this, who having failed to achieve anything during his time in power sees fit to make sweeping recommendations on how to fix the Middle East now that he is not actually responsible for anything other than maintaining his own book sales.”

This statement is really mind-boggling–especially so since you specifically point to the Middle East. I would suggest that Carter, who brokered one of the most important Middle East peace initiatives of our time, may be justified in believing that he might be able to help.