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		<title>By: peter paul perez</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I THOUGTH I WAS FAIRLY WELL INFORMED ON MAJOR BATTLES OF WW2,I HAVE TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR ONE OF MOST DETAILED PEICES OF HISTORY,OF WHICH I NEVER KNEW OFF, EVIDENTLY YOUR ARE AN EXCELLENT HISTORIAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I THOUGTH I WAS FAIRLY WELL INFORMED ON MAJOR BATTLES OF WW2,I HAVE TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR ONE OF MOST DETAILED PEICES OF HISTORY,OF WHICH I NEVER KNEW OFF, EVIDENTLY YOUR ARE AN EXCELLENT HISTORIAN.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. Only a few minor quibbles, already covered by others. Thanks for bringing this back to the forefront for a while. Important battle for so many reasons, almost completely unknown here in the States (at least as far as my experience goes). Good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. Only a few minor quibbles, already covered by others. Thanks for bringing this back to the forefront for a while. Important battle for so many reasons, almost completely unknown here in the States (at least as far as my experience goes). Good job.</p>
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		<title>By: Genco Abbandando</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. Now that was completely unknown to me. thank you for this insight. Keep posting more.</description>
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		<title>By: Hideboh</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Japan&#039;s Kwantung Army was ready for a full scale war against the USSR as Nomohan Incident got totally out of control. But when Germany betrayed Japan by signing a nonaggression pact with the soviet union, Japan had no choice but to quit the battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Japan&#8217;s Kwantung Army was ready for a full scale war against the USSR as Nomohan Incident got totally out of control. But when Germany betrayed Japan by signing a nonaggression pact with the soviet union, Japan had no choice but to quit the battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this websitee rocks out loud!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Our Russian Allies?? - World War II Forums</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the surrender of Japan. Well here is that website I&#039;ll try and find something to veryfi it.  Khalkhin-Gol: The forgotten battle that shaped WW2*&#124;*Siberian Light    __________________ &quot;Which would your men rather be, tired, or dead?&quot;German General [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the surrender of Japan. Well here is that website I&#8217;ll try and find something to veryfi it.  Khalkhin-Gol: The forgotten battle that shaped WW2*|*Siberian Light    __________________ &quot;Which would your men rather be, tired, or dead?&quot;German General [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; Not the coming world war</title>
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		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; Not the coming world war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been posted at Battlefield Biker. My pick this month is Siberian Light&#8217;s post on the Battle of Khalkin-Gol (better known, to me at least, as the Nomonhan Incident), a big tank battle fought between the USSR [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been posted at Battlefield Biker. My pick this month is Siberian Light&#8217;s post on the Battle of Khalkin-Gol (better known, to me at least, as the Nomonhan Incident), a big tank battle fought between the USSR [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Khalkhin-Gol: The forgotten battle that shaped WW2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UriShare - Khalkhin-gol the battle that shaped ww2</title>
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		<dc:creator>UriShare - Khalkhin-gol the battle that shaped ww2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]                Nifty(&quot;div#wrapper&quot;, &quot;tl tr normal&quot;);         0+shareKhalkhin-gol the battle that shaped ww2In August 1939, just weeks before Hitler invaded Poland, the Soviet Union and Japan fought the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jacobite and the Minty Teas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting Article Andy. It is interesting also that a man named George Sorge, a German &quot;Nazi&quot; who was a communist double agent reporting to the Comintern from Tokyo, had set up an extensive spy ring from China to Toko.  Almost single handedly, he influenced the Soviet decision to concentrate forces on their western front, with the information he collected and those the collaborating Japanese communists imparted to him. Otherwise Soviet forces would have been unnecessarily concentrated on the eastern front to the benefit of Germany. General Charles Willoughby wrote an informative book on the subject in 1952 after Sorges execution in Tokyo. It was fortunate for the historical record that the role of British secret services and global financial power were not elaborated upon, but how and ever it is a good example of how even the British Military can postulate on the &quot;scourge&quot; of communism. Welcome to wallyworld. I heard rumour that the Russians in fact invaded Poland in 1939, prior to the Nazis. Would there be any truth in this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting Article Andy. It is interesting also that a man named George Sorge, a German &#8220;Nazi&#8221; who was a communist double agent reporting to the Comintern from Tokyo, had set up an extensive spy ring from China to Toko.  Almost single handedly, he influenced the Soviet decision to concentrate forces on their western front, with the information he collected and those the collaborating Japanese communists imparted to him. Otherwise Soviet forces would have been unnecessarily concentrated on the eastern front to the benefit of Germany. General Charles Willoughby wrote an informative book on the subject in 1952 after Sorges execution in Tokyo. It was fortunate for the historical record that the role of British secret services and global financial power were not elaborated upon, but how and ever it is a good example of how even the British Military can postulate on the &#8220;scourge&#8221; of communism. Welcome to wallyworld. I heard rumour that the Russians in fact invaded Poland in 1939, prior to the Nazis. Would there be any truth in this?</p>
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		<title>By: renko</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops. here&#039;s the link:

http://www.textbookx.com/product_detail.php?upc=9780306810367&amp;type=book&amp;affiliate=froogle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. here&#8217;s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.textbookx.com/product_detail.php?upc=9780306810367&amp;type=book&amp;affiliate=froogle" rel="nofollow">http://www.textbookx.com/product_detail.php?upc=9780306810367&amp;type=book&amp;affiliate=froogle</a></p>
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		<title>By: renko</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post!

   an additional aside concerning the sovs and imp. japan:
   the military historian, bruce lee, wrote a book titled &quot;marching orders&quot;, dealing with declassified (as of 1995) info about the u.s. codebreaking of japan&#039;s ciphers.
   iirc, a major point was that after kholkhin-gol there was a detente until 41. stalin originally was seeking a non-aggression pact with japan, particularly after barbarossa began. the japanese never signed a pact with the sovs, even after barbarossa began. 
   this mutual detente allowed the sovs to ship their siberian troops to moscow for the 41 winter counterattack, since by then the japanese were wrapped up in the pacific campaign.
   sometime after midway and guadalcanal, it was the JAPANESE who were pressing the sovs for a formal non-aggression treaty. the sovs stalled and delayed, never agreeing until they eventually attacked japan.
   strongly recommend the book; it&#039;s a fascinating new viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post!</p>
<p>   an additional aside concerning the sovs and imp. japan:<br />
   the military historian, bruce lee, wrote a book titled &#8220;marching orders&#8221;, dealing with declassified (as of 1995) info about the u.s. codebreaking of japan&#8217;s ciphers.<br />
   iirc, a major point was that after kholkhin-gol there was a detente until 41. stalin originally was seeking a non-aggression pact with japan, particularly after barbarossa began. the japanese never signed a pact with the sovs, even after barbarossa began.<br />
   this mutual detente allowed the sovs to ship their siberian troops to moscow for the 41 winter counterattack, since by then the japanese were wrapped up in the pacific campaign.<br />
   sometime after midway and guadalcanal, it was the JAPANESE who were pressing the sovs for a formal non-aggression treaty. the sovs stalled and delayed, never agreeing until they eventually attacked japan.<br />
   strongly recommend the book; it&#8217;s a fascinating new viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: blowback</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the story of how the Red Army crushed the Japanese armies in Manchuria read &lt;a&gt;August Storm: The Soviet Strategic Offensive in Manchuria&lt;/a&gt; by Donald M. Glantz.

The Red Army not only took Manchuria which they passed on to Mao Zedong, they also took Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands which Japan is still asking for the return of. Stalin also planned to land troops on Hokkaidō two months before the scheduled American landings in Kyushu.

If Japan had not surrendered, all of Korea would have been Communist and half of Japan would have been occupied probably for the same length of time as Germany.

It is probably fair to say that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki &lt;b&gt;combined&lt;/b&gt; with the Soviet declaration of war and August Storm made it clear to the Japanese that further resistance was futile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the story of how the Red Army crushed the Japanese armies in Manchuria read <a>August Storm: The Soviet Strategic Offensive in Manchuria</a> by Donald M. Glantz.</p>
<p>The Red Army not only took Manchuria which they passed on to Mao Zedong, they also took Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands which Japan is still asking for the return of. Stalin also planned to land troops on Hokkaidō two months before the scheduled American landings in Kyushu.</p>
<p>If Japan had not surrendered, all of Korea would have been Communist and half of Japan would have been occupied probably for the same length of time as Germany.</p>
<p>It is probably fair to say that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki <b>combined</b> with the Soviet declaration of war and August Storm made it clear to the Japanese that further resistance was futile.</p>
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		<title>By: hayate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job. My one complaint was about the numbers of the Japanese forces, but &quot;Chris&quot; already covered it. 

There is another reason this battle was very important. While exact details of the battle were not known in the west, the general story that the Japanese were defeated by the Soviets was known. And this was probably studied by the military commands in the western countries because the USSR and Germany had a pack and Germany had just embarked upon WW2. The USSR would have been considered a foe at that time. They did study the USSR-Finland war, and a study of that war would have shown the Soviets to be rather deficeint.

Now lets jump ahead 2 years. Germany invades the USSR and causes staggering loses. Well, Germany was already known to be a deadly opponent, but the Soviet failures showed that the USSR was very much inferior militarily to Germany on the field in 1941. Add in the Finland war and the poor Soviet showing there, considering, and then think back to Khalkhin Gol where the Soviets defeated the Japanese.

Which brings me to that other reason this battle had such influence. The western nations would have looked at Japan in 1941 as the country beaten by the Soviets, who themselves were thought to be on the verge of losing to Germany. The west would of not considered the Soviet military as very competent at that point, so a Japanese military that was defeated by the Soviets would have been thought of as a rather impotent threat. In histories about the first 6 months of the Pacific war, much has been made about how completely the west underestimated the ability of the Japanese. It is my belief that the Japanese defeat at Khalkhin Gol convinced the western powers that they did not need to reinforce their eastern colonies to a much greater extent or make this region an urgent matter. They probably thought the Japanese would not be up to conquering their forces. At least not before reinforcements could be deployed. So the Japanese defeat at Khalkhin Gol lulled the west into thinking Japan would not be much of a threat and neglected reinforcing their colonial forces because of this impression of Japanese incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job. My one complaint was about the numbers of the Japanese forces, but &#8220;Chris&#8221; already covered it. </p>
<p>There is another reason this battle was very important. While exact details of the battle were not known in the west, the general story that the Japanese were defeated by the Soviets was known. And this was probably studied by the military commands in the western countries because the USSR and Germany had a pack and Germany had just embarked upon WW2. The USSR would have been considered a foe at that time. They did study the USSR-Finland war, and a study of that war would have shown the Soviets to be rather deficeint.</p>
<p>Now lets jump ahead 2 years. Germany invades the USSR and causes staggering loses. Well, Germany was already known to be a deadly opponent, but the Soviet failures showed that the USSR was very much inferior militarily to Germany on the field in 1941. Add in the Finland war and the poor Soviet showing there, considering, and then think back to Khalkhin Gol where the Soviets defeated the Japanese.</p>
<p>Which brings me to that other reason this battle had such influence. The western nations would have looked at Japan in 1941 as the country beaten by the Soviets, who themselves were thought to be on the verge of losing to Germany. The west would of not considered the Soviet military as very competent at that point, so a Japanese military that was defeated by the Soviets would have been thought of as a rather impotent threat. In histories about the first 6 months of the Pacific war, much has been made about how completely the west underestimated the ability of the Japanese. It is my belief that the Japanese defeat at Khalkhin Gol convinced the western powers that they did not need to reinforce their eastern colonies to a much greater extent or make this region an urgent matter. They probably thought the Japanese would not be up to conquering their forces. At least not before reinforcements could be deployed. So the Japanese defeat at Khalkhin Gol lulled the west into thinking Japan would not be much of a threat and neglected reinforcing their colonial forces because of this impression of Japanese incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: NickMizgala.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unknown History</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was an interesting link off of Fark recently. It was a story about a battle between the Soviets and Imperial Japanese Army. The battle may have had far reaching [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex TM</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple more facts that are not well known about the Russo-Japanese stand off.
1.  It is believed prior to the battle Japanese tried, for the first time in modern history, to use biological warfare.  They set up labs to develop strains of plague, with tests on animals and captured monoglian/chinese/russian prisoners.  Yes, I know, middle ages, black plague infected cows, etc.  This was different in the way that industrial methods were used to test, produce and refine/concentrate the desease agent and released into, of all places, Khalkhin-Gol river.
2. During the Japanese invasion of Chnina Soviet &quot;volunteer&quot; pilots on Soviet produced hardware were fiting the Japanese army.  Officially they were not a part of Soviet militarry, but then again neither were American pilots over in UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple more facts that are not well known about the Russo-Japanese stand off.<br />
1.  It is believed prior to the battle Japanese tried, for the first time in modern history, to use biological warfare.  They set up labs to develop strains of plague, with tests on animals and captured monoglian/chinese/russian prisoners.  Yes, I know, middle ages, black plague infected cows, etc.  This was different in the way that industrial methods were used to test, produce and refine/concentrate the desease agent and released into, of all places, Khalkhin-Gol river.<br />
2. During the Japanese invasion of Chnina Soviet &#8220;volunteer&#8221; pilots on Soviet produced hardware were fiting the Japanese army.  Officially they were not a part of Soviet militarry, but then again neither were American pilots over in UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Japan&#8217;s most decisive battle in World War 2 &#187; &#19990;&#35542; What Japan Thinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Japan&#8217;s most decisive battle in World War 2 &#187; &#19990;&#35542; What Japan Thinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: demophilus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a pretty good account of USSR-Japanese air combat before and during this period in THE RAGGED, RUGGED WARRIORS by Martin Caidin.  IIRC, Caidin was of the opinion that Japanese aerial losses to the USSR accelerated the development of the Zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a pretty good account of USSR-Japanese air combat before and during this period in THE RAGGED, RUGGED WARRIORS by Martin Caidin.  IIRC, Caidin was of the opinion that Japanese aerial losses to the USSR accelerated the development of the Zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalkhin-Gol, Nomonhan, Murakami and Modern History as We Know it &#124; East Windup Chronicle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khalkhin-Gol, Nomonhan, Murakami and Modern History as We Know it &#124; East Windup Chronicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andy Young, who runs a great looking Russian history site called Siberian Light, wrote and tipped me off to an article he recently wrote about the battle of Khalkhin-Gol, which in Japan is known as the Nomonhan Incident. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andy Young, who runs a great looking Russian history site called Siberian Light, wrote and tipped me off to an article he recently wrote about the battle of Khalkhin-Gol, which in Japan is known as the Nomonhan Incident. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.siberianlight.net/khalkhin-gol-battle-nomonhan/#comment-45965</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a good site on this battle:
http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/drea2/drea2.asp
and information about Japanese armored units:
http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/history.htm
http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/develop.html

I would like to point out one factual error you made.  You stated that &quot;Zhukov had amassed a force of more than 50,000 men, 498 tanks and 250 planes. Matched against him was a similarly sized, but not well armoured Japanese force.&quot;  Actually, the Japanese force was around 30,000 men, with only 73 tanks, far fewer than the Soviet&#039;s forces.

Also, the Japanese tanks were primarily medium and light tanks, with 57mm short barrel guns intended on infantry support and taking out MG positions.  While most (80%) of the Soviet tanks were light tanks, their main weapon was a log barrel 45mm cannon which had a longer range than the Japanese tanks, and could penetrate the Japanese Type 89 medium tank&#039;s armor.

It would not be until late 1941 that the Japanese Type 97 medium tank would be equipped with a 47mm high velocity cannon, designed for anti-tank use.  However, the Japanese would still rely on medium and light tanks for most of the war.  They didn&#039;t build a heavy tank until late 1944, and it would never see significant combat duty.

More than anything, this battle showed that the Japanese armored forces were not up to the same level of military might that their naval and air forces were.  This would be a reoccurring theme throughout WWII.  The Japanese did not capitalize on the German attacks on the Soviets not because of any lessons about the Soviet military, but because of the lessons of the weaknesses of their own armored units.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good site on this battle:<br />
<a href="http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/drea2/drea2.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/drea2/drea2.asp</a><br />
and information about Japanese armored units:<br />
<a href="http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/history.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/history.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/develop.html" rel="nofollow">http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/develop.html</a></p>
<p>I would like to point out one factual error you made.  You stated that &#8220;Zhukov had amassed a force of more than 50,000 men, 498 tanks and 250 planes. Matched against him was a similarly sized, but not well armoured Japanese force.&#8221;  Actually, the Japanese force was around 30,000 men, with only 73 tanks, far fewer than the Soviet&#8217;s forces.</p>
<p>Also, the Japanese tanks were primarily medium and light tanks, with 57mm short barrel guns intended on infantry support and taking out MG positions.  While most (80%) of the Soviet tanks were light tanks, their main weapon was a log barrel 45mm cannon which had a longer range than the Japanese tanks, and could penetrate the Japanese Type 89 medium tank&#8217;s armor.</p>
<p>It would not be until late 1941 that the Japanese Type 97 medium tank would be equipped with a 47mm high velocity cannon, designed for anti-tank use.  However, the Japanese would still rely on medium and light tanks for most of the war.  They didn&#8217;t build a heavy tank until late 1944, and it would never see significant combat duty.</p>
<p>More than anything, this battle showed that the Japanese armored forces were not up to the same level of military might that their naval and air forces were.  This would be a reoccurring theme throughout WWII.  The Japanese did not capitalize on the German attacks on the Soviets not because of any lessons about the Soviet military, but because of the lessons of the weaknesses of their own armored units.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
		<link>http://www.siberianlight.net/khalkhin-gol-battle-nomonhan/#comment-45958</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excerpted from JFM:

&quot;There is an overlooked but very important consequence of Khalkhin Gol, it propelled Zhukov to the top.&quot;

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When compared to the Soviet-Finnish war (which occurred at roughly the same time), the Red Army did much better against a stronger Japanese foe.

Being farther away from Moscow probably spared the Red Army&#039;s far eastern flank the brunt of the Stalin&#039;s purge of the officer corps. There&#039;s also the view that at the time, the USSR&#039;s best ground personnel were located in the far east, as a pre-planned defense against a possible Japanese attack. The 1905 Russo-Japanese War wasn&#039;t that long ago and during the Russian Civil war, the Japanese showed signs of desiring Russian territory. Simple common sense acknowledged a sparsely Soviet populated far east, thereby requiring a strong military presence to counter a hypothetical Japanese attack. Another factor in the performance differential was perhaps Stalin taking the Finns for granted unlike the militarily stronger Japanese.

Good to see this subject covered Andy. On the characerization of Russia being &quot;decisively defeated&quot; in 1905, keep in mind that it was the Japanese who were seeking a settlement. This is because they knew that their war chest was running out. The Japanese complaint of being robbed &quot;the fruits oif victory&quot; overlooks this point. Tokyo benefitted from surprise attack, geography and world symnpathy on their side. At the time of the Japanese attack, the major powers took glee at seeing Russian influence in Asia challenged. At the time of the surprise 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, many Russians remembered the American reply to the surprise 1904  Japanese attack on Port Arthur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpted from JFM:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is an overlooked but very important consequence of Khalkhin Gol, it propelled Zhukov to the top.&#8221;</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>When compared to the Soviet-Finnish war (which occurred at roughly the same time), the Red Army did much better against a stronger Japanese foe.</p>
<p>Being farther away from Moscow probably spared the Red Army&#8217;s far eastern flank the brunt of the Stalin&#8217;s purge of the officer corps. There&#8217;s also the view that at the time, the USSR&#8217;s best ground personnel were located in the far east, as a pre-planned defense against a possible Japanese attack. The 1905 Russo-Japanese War wasn&#8217;t that long ago and during the Russian Civil war, the Japanese showed signs of desiring Russian territory. Simple common sense acknowledged a sparsely Soviet populated far east, thereby requiring a strong military presence to counter a hypothetical Japanese attack. Another factor in the performance differential was perhaps Stalin taking the Finns for granted unlike the militarily stronger Japanese.</p>
<p>Good to see this subject covered Andy. On the characerization of Russia being &#8220;decisively defeated&#8221; in 1905, keep in mind that it was the Japanese who were seeking a settlement. This is because they knew that their war chest was running out. The Japanese complaint of being robbed &#8220;the fruits oif victory&#8221; overlooks this point. Tokyo benefitted from surprise attack, geography and world symnpathy on their side. At the time of the Japanese attack, the major powers took glee at seeing Russian influence in Asia challenged. At the time of the surprise 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, many Russians remembered the American reply to the surprise 1904  Japanese attack on Port Arthur.</p>
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		<title>By: Spunknutty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spunknutty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a US Army Command and General Staff College Combat Studies Institute document Leavenworth Papers #2 &quot;Nomonhan: Japanese-Soviet tactical combat 1939&quot; by Edward Drea (Jan 1981.  I found this on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khalkhin_Gol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a US Army Command and General Staff College Combat Studies Institute document Leavenworth Papers #2 &#8220;Nomonhan: Japanese-Soviet tactical combat 1939&#8243; by Edward Drea (Jan 1981.  I found this on wikipedia.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khalkhin_Gol" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khalkhin_Gol</a></p>
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		<title>By: Staplehawk</title>
		<link>http://www.siberianlight.net/khalkhin-gol-battle-nomonhan/#comment-45953</link>
		<dc:creator>Staplehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good find. This was only part of what turned the war against the US and Pearl Harbor invasion. There is also an even more unknown factor that is read almost Nowhere except the Nanjing, China museum and a few books. I have personally been to these places and seen the killing fields and photos and heard stories from actual victims. Japanese armed forces had invaded and raped about every woman and child in Nanjing, China. Also killed most of the men in the city. Hundreds of thousands of people! Still something most Japanese soldiers deny to this day. During all this, Eisenhower went to the Japanese with a plea to stop what they were doing in Nanjing or else... That was the first week of that December.. The days before Pearl Harbor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good find. This was only part of what turned the war against the US and Pearl Harbor invasion. There is also an even more unknown factor that is read almost Nowhere except the Nanjing, China museum and a few books. I have personally been to these places and seen the killing fields and photos and heard stories from actual victims. Japanese armed forces had invaded and raped about every woman and child in Nanjing, China. Also killed most of the men in the city. Hundreds of thousands of people! Still something most Japanese soldiers deny to this day. During all this, Eisenhower went to the Japanese with a plea to stop what they were doing in Nanjing or else&#8230; That was the first week of that December.. The days before Pearl Harbor.</p>
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		<title>By: JFM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an overlooked but very important consequence of Khalkhin Gol, it propelled Zhukov to the top.  Without it, the man who stopped the Germanbs at the gates of Moscow would have been commanding an Army (in the inflated Soviet designation, a Corps in western terms), with luck a Front (an Army in Western terms) and perhaps he would have still been sitting in Mongolia.  Instead he was in Mosocow and commanding the equivalent of a Group of Armies.  Without Khalhin Gol, the defence of Moscow would have been led by one of such mediocriries like Boudienny, Voroshilov or Timoshenko and God knows what would have happenned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an overlooked but very important consequence of Khalkhin Gol, it propelled Zhukov to the top.  Without it, the man who stopped the Germanbs at the gates of Moscow would have been commanding an Army (in the inflated Soviet designation, a Corps in western terms), with luck a Front (an Army in Western terms) and perhaps he would have still been sitting in Mongolia.  Instead he was in Mosocow and commanding the equivalent of a Group of Armies.  Without Khalhin Gol, the defence of Moscow would have been led by one of such mediocriries like Boudienny, Voroshilov or Timoshenko and God knows what would have happenned.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Fjellman</title>
		<link>http://www.siberianlight.net/khalkhin-gol-battle-nomonhan/#comment-45930</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Fjellman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was not just the atom bombs that forced the Japanese to surrender.  It was Russia attacking with land/armored forces to gain land before the US gained a foothold in mainland Asia.  Japan thought that they could broker peace with the US&#039; &quot;ally&quot; Russia.  When Russia attacked, the Japanese realized that their &quot;getting out&quot; of the war with brokered peace, they surrendered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not just the atom bombs that forced the Japanese to surrender.  It was Russia attacking with land/armored forces to gain land before the US gained a foothold in mainland Asia.  Japan thought that they could broker peace with the US&#8217; &#8220;ally&#8221; Russia.  When Russia attacked, the Japanese realized that their &#8220;getting out&#8221; of the war with brokered peace, they surrendered.</p>
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